Healing From Childhood Wounds

Ellen Krause 0:04

At the Coffee and Bible Time podcast. Our goal is to help you delight in God’s Word and thrive in Christian living. Each week, we talk to subject matter experts who broaden your biblical understanding, encourage you in hard times and provide life-building tips to enhance your Christian walk. We are so glad you have joined us. Welcome back to the Coffee and Bible Time podcast. I’m Ellen, your host, and I’m so glad that you’re here.Ellen Krause 0:36

Today’s episode touches on something incredibly personal, something that’s incredibly important and, for many of us, incredibly painful. It’s what happens when we grow up without the love, affirmation and emotional safety we longed for from our parents. Today, we’re diving into the impact of missing love and connection in childhood, the coping strategies that often follow and, most importantly, how God can bring healing, hope and a new legacy. I’m honored today to be joined by Dr John Trent and Carrie Trent Stageberg, a father-daughter duo with a deep passion for helping people heal from emotional wounds and find freedom in the love of Christ.Ellen Krause 1:30

Dr John Trent is the president of Strong Families and a nationally known speaker with more than 20 best-selling books. He’s also a husband of over 35 years, a dad and a very proud grandfather. Carrie Trent Stageberg is the CEO of Strong Families and a speaker in her own right whose heart for helping others is shaped not just by her work but by her own journey of healing and redemption. She’s a wife, a mom to two boys and a powerful voice of hope for anyone longing for emotional wholeness. Together, john and Carrie have spent years guiding people toward emotional healing, helping them break free from painful generational patterns and leading them into the kind of love that only God can provide. Please welcome Carrie and John.Kari Trent Stageberg 2:24

Wow, that has to be the best.John Trent 2:26

Let’s just close in prayer.Kari Trent Stageberg 2:27

I know I was like we need to hire you to write our bios. That was. I’m gonna go copy down that thanks, ellen.John Trent 2:35

It’s an honor to be with you, I feel encouraged.Ellen Krause 2:39

You are most welcome, but rightfully so. I just am thrilled for our listeners to be able to get a glimpse into what you have poured your life into studying and helping others, so why don’t we start out with you guys just introducing yourselves and sharing a little bit about your ministry and what you do?Kari Trent Stageberg 3:04

Yeah, I had the privilege for 10 years of working with a guy named Gary Smalley, who was one of my best buddies and we did a lot together. And then Gary semi-retired, so we started our own ministry. It started off as called Encouraging Words and then, right before 9-11, okay, on 9-10, I woke up in the middle of the night and you know, I’m, you know, pretty Presbyterian, so the Lord, I wish, woke me up more than he does, you know. But I was like we need to change the name of our ministry. Encouraging Words is a great name, but it was like no, you need to change it to strong families, because that’s what is really needed. And so we changed our name and the next day was 9-11, you know, and the towers fell and it was like, oh my gosh.

Kari’s Healing From Abuse

Kari Trent Stageberg 3:54

We certainly need encouraging words from God’s word, but, boy, more than ever I think we need strong families as well. And then a few years go by and Carrie joins up. So, carrie, tell them what we do now.Kari Trent Stageberg 4:07

Yeah, yeah Well, and I am super blessed to get to do this with my dad, and I mean, if you had told either one of us, I think even 15, 20 years ago, that we would be doing this together, I think we both would have laughed for very different reasons. But I was the kid that grew up with the blessing and with healthy attachment that ended up walking away from faith and family and found myself in the middle of an abusive relationship, which is really where I met the Lord, and God brought me out of that. A few years later, I ended up meeting my incredible husband, Joey, and now we’ve got our wonderful boys and I’ve just watched God redeem and heal so much. But it really was the blessing which is the core of what we do at Strong Families that brought me home and my parents choosing to live it out, even when it was hard and even when both of them grew up in homes where they didn’t grow up with it, and so they really walked this journey of broken to blessed.Kari Trent Stageberg 5:00

I’ve walked it in a later season and so I don’t know. You know some of you are probably going, you know, like maybe you were like me and you were really blessed to have truly wonderful parents and a wonderful childhood, but maybe there’s something else that happened that really kind of has made you question is that blessing still valid? Do I still have worth? Do I still have value? God, can you really change what’s happening in this season of my life? And so I hope that we can share some of that hope, which is what we try to do at Strong Families.Ellen Krause 5:31

Yes, oh, it’s incredibly helpful and I know it starts around this concept of the blessing.John Trent 5:39

Yeah.Ellen Krause 5:39

So can you explain for our listeners what it is and how you first encountered or developed it?

Our Blessings in Christ: Ephesians 1 and 2

Kari Trent Stageberg 5:47

Yeah, well, you know you’re right. I mean we hear blessing today and it’s what you do if somebody sneezes, or it’s just used in a lot of different ways. We have blessings in Christ. I mean when you are in Christ. Think about the book of Ephesians, read chapter one and chapter two, and you know he pours out every spiritual blessing. You are loved and sealed and adopted and redeemed and restored and all of those amazing things you know.Kari Trent Stageberg 6:17

But it’s interesting in Deuteronomy 30, 19,. It says, boy, the Lord says I set before you a choice life or death. Now choose life in Christ. Right, I mean that’s where blessing comes. But once you choose life in Christ, then it says now choose blessing over curse. Curse means to subtract, to dam up this dream. Blessing means to add Bow the knee. That’s the word.Kari Trent Stageberg 6:43

Picture behind it, that’s an attitude. Here’s somebody that’s really valuable. Now you pick up your kids today you don’t have to literally bow to them, but it’s that attitude that they’re really valuable. But then it’s also like adding a coin to a scale where you add to their life. So when you bless somebody because they’re so valuable, you add to who they are, you add to their life. You know it’s interesting, but God blesses us first, but then he calls us to bless others, and that’s what we’re really talking about. Did you grow up with somebody that was crazy about you? So, ellen, let me just ask you, when you were 10 years old, you come home from school and let’s say everybody’s there. You know, who was just crazy about you, thereEllen Krause 7:32

anybody there, that was just crazy about you growing up?? You , I would say boy, this could be a whole therapy session, I think, but I’m not going to let it go there, because I’ve had my share of that.Ellen Krause 7:43

But honestly, and I’ll be quite transparent with you, like that was a hard season because my parents had just gone through a divorce, and so I had a strong relationship with my dad and he wasn’t there and he would have been the person, and even though he wasn’t in our home as much anymore, he definitely was that. I think my mom was really struggling at that time and so things were hard for her. But I can think of other people you know, like my next door neighbor who I thought was amazing and we spent a lot of time together. So it’s a mixed bag.John Trent 8:24

No, it is, but see, that’s the reality, I think, for a lot of time together. So it’s a mixed bag? No, it is, but see, that’s the reality, I think, for a lot of us. So you know, I grew up in a single parent home. My mom and dad divorced when I was two months old, my dad took one look at twins. I had an older brother and twins and bailed out, you know. So I never got the blessing from my dad. He wasn’t there.John Trent 8:42

But you know, my mom was world-class of blessing but then she gets rheumatoid arthritis and she was so sick and we had no money growing up single parent home, so she ends up in Indiana getting all these surgeries we’re raising ourself with. My older brother was really, you know, uh, the one that was taking care of us, and what I’m getting at is is so for some of us, man, you know, we, you know I hope every person here listening got the blessing from everybody around them, including their pets, kind of a thing. But for some of us we grew up without it. And, carrie, then you grew up with it. But then again that abusive time, you can have the blessing ripped out of your life later on as well, right, yeah?Kari Trent Stageberg 9:27

absolutely. And, Ellen, I just wanted to say thanks for letting us put you on the spot and being vulnerable with that question. And you know, I think we hear that all the time when we do coaching with people is that you know there wasn’t anybody, or it was the dog. The dog was the only one that was excited I was coming home, or there was that teacher outside of outside of home. There was somebody else. But I mean, for so many of us that’s just the reality. And then again, like I said, for others, maybe maybe we did grow up with a home where people lit up or we knew people in God were crazy about us, but we still had a choice to make, or maybe we’re in a season where it’s just really hard to believe that that’s actually real.John Trent 10:07

Yeah, right, right so that’s really where it started. As a counselor, I was in a psychiatric unit working there. So I’m sitting with this guy for about four hours. He’s on suicide watch.John Trent 10:18

He had tried to take his life and it was so interesting. You know, Alan, I just felt like you know he, he had tried, he had just got his first B as in boy, not D as in dog as a senior in college and he couldn’t go home because he felt like if he went home he’d never, never get his dad’s. But he didn’t say blessing, but he had never. His dad was straight A’s, he was straight A’s. This was a non-major PE course. His dad was straight A’s, he was straight A’s, this was a non-major PE course. And he sucked at PE and he gets a B in PE and he literally tried to take his life. And if his roommate I think by the grace of God hadn’t showed up, it would have been successful. But I got home that night and the next day I’m teaching Genesis 27 and Genesis 28.John Trent 11:04

In a Sunday school class which is about Jacob and Esau. Remember those twins? I’m a twin and so my mom always liked Jeff best Not really, but the point is that you know, here’s one twin and Jacob gets the blessing Right. Okay.John Trent 11:23

Please come close and hold me, my son, and he kisses him and tells him see, the smell of my son is like the smell of the field that the Lord has blessed. May God give you the dew of heaven and the fatness of earth and abundance of grain and new wine. So he gives him this great blessing right. Well, in comes Esau, and he doesn’t get it. And when Esau heard the words of his father that he would never get the blessing, he cries out with an exceedingly great and bitter cry. It says, and he goes bless me, even me also, oh my father. And he repeats himself. He says do you have only one blessing? Bless me, even me also, oh my father. So, so, ellen, that’s really.John Trent 12:04

It was in that moment. I mean, it was like scales fell off and now I had a name for it. What I realized was I was sitting with somebody and all that hurt, all that, please, dad. I had said that a thousand times Dad, show up. You know where are you, you know?John Trent 12:21

And then, when I did meet him, and he was an angry alcoholic, I wished I hadn’t met him and then I used to hate my dad and then I became a Christian and intensely disliked him and then finally realized, as I began to grow in Christ, I needed to forgive him because I was becoming just like him. Do you see what I mean? So it was so interesting. That was when I thought, oh my gosh, the blessing was when I thought, oh my gosh, the blessing.John Trent 12:49

That’s what now, again, god’s blessing is phenomenal, but it is what, I think, what equips us, what fills us up. We’ll be able to get into this man when you grow up without the blessing. It is when you find God’s blessing that you’re able to give it to people, even people you never thought you ever would give it to. So that’s really where our whole ministry has been. Look, you don’t have to be perfect. You can be like Ellen, you can be like John, you can be like Carrie and be broken, and yet in Christ you can move to blessed. And so that’s really what this book is about and what we get to talk to you about today, which is so much fun.

5 Elements That Heal Childhood Wounds

Ellen Krause 13:33

Yes, and it’s just kind of the whole story of Christ taking that brokenness and turning it completely around into something of a blessing. Wow, okay, so you share that? There’s five elements of the blessing, yeah, why don’t you tell us a little bit about those and help us understand why these particular things are so impactful in helping someone feel valued and secure?Kari Trent Stageberg 13:56

Yeah, and I can do that. So the five elements of the blessing the first one is appropriate, meaningful touch, and it’s really. I mean, there’s so many studies about the health and physical and mental and emotional benefit of touch. Whether it’s a baby in a NICU or even somebody who’s in physical pain, if they have someone that’s holding their hand, their pain levels go down, their blood pressure lowers. So there’s so many things that the Bible and science tell us about the importance of touch. But it also can be bright eyes, and the Bible tells us, you know, bright eyes makes the heart glad. There’s a really phenomenal book called the Other Side of Church, our friend Jim Wilder who helped write this book. He’s a neurobiologist and essentially what happens is if you walk into a room and someone’s eyes light up when they see you, their eyes brighten. Our brain translates that as joy, and so really that’s that appropriate, meaningful touch.Kari Trent Stageberg 14:49

That’s the first element. The second is spoken or written words, which means we need to hear it, and I think for so many of us we hear this all the time. Well, I knew that they loved me, but they never said it. Well, they may have been proud of me, but they never said it. Well, they may have been proud of me, but I never heard it. And so we need to use our words to add, like he was saying, to add like a coin to a scale, to add weight to somebody’s life, to add value to their life. Well, what do we need to add? Well, we need to attach high value, which really is how do we help them get a picture of the unique way that they were created? What are their unique, specific, god-given strengths that God has given them? And the beautiful thing about those strengths is they’re not just for them, they’re actually for us to be able to use to bless and encourage others, which brings us to that fourth element, which is special future. So how do you see God being able to use them and use those unique strengths in a way that helps them get a picture of what could be ahead?Kari Trent Stageberg 15:46

And I want to focus on this one really quick, because not only do I think that this is the one that’s most under attack today, because here’s the reality If the enemy can convince us that we don’t have a purpose or we don’t have value, he can take us out of the game, whether that’s emotionally or sometimes, unfortunately, even physically. He can really warp our minds around. Well, what is there? Even a future? And the other side of it is too is sometimes we’re hesitant to want to bless someone in our lives because maybe they’re not living in the fullness of who they were created to be.Kari Trent Stageberg 16:17

And I want to tell you this right now it was my dad choosing to say hey, carrie, here’s who you are, here’s truths about who you are.Kari Trent Stageberg 16:25

When I was in a season where I didn’t see him, that allowed me to begin to walk forward and eventually be able to claim those as true.Kari Trent Stageberg 16:32

So this is not saying that you throw boundaries out the window, but this is saying that you absolutely can give someone a picture of who God created them to be and how God can use them when they choose to make that decision. And then the fifth and final one is genuine commitment, and that’s really saying I’m going to be there when things are good, when things are bad, as long as God gives me breath, I’m going to be there for you in any way that I can you know and help you live out the way that God has created you to be in that special future. And again, we’re not saying throw boundaries out the window, we’re not saying become codependent, but we are saying that there is a way to be there for somebody in a healthy way or speak life and blessing over them when they really need it, even if the relationship is incredibly challenging. And that’s where God and his grace coming into our lives allows us to heal and to forgive, and then we can maybe even go bless someone who never gave us the blessing.

God Can Heal Your Broken Story

Ellen Krause 18:15

Yes, oh, I just loved reading about that and learning about these different things and, of course, as I was reading it, I was thinking about myself and different people that did attach high value Someone, a teacher, who was instrumental in helping me visualize my future. And I love the fact that we can like even if we didn’t receive it. So, for example, I was given up for adoption. So the meaningful touch part I don’t think happened, like since it was a while until I was adopted, but I love that. You know, later on, like now, I cherish every hug that my husband gives me, like just that it’s redeemable, so to speak. Yeah, yeah wow, wow.John Trent 19:13

Well, and that’s. You know that’s so redemptive and you mentioned earlier you know it’s a story was tim keller? Did he ever jump on your podcast?John Trent 19:22

uh, do you know, I wish, yes, yeah, yeah well, he, you know what’s interesting, I was, uh, somebody sent me a podcast that he did of Of course he’s with the Lord now, you know, but he was such a great thinker and everything, and it’s interesting that he was with a bunch of actors in New York City and, because he was fearless, you know, he’d go right in the midst of the world and talk about Jesus, you know, and bottom line is, is he talked about how, how important they were, because they tell stories and there’s that sense in which, as he, you know, began to talk that all of us, our, our life is like a story, you know, written by the hand of God. And so what we’re here to say, the exciting thing is, is that, okay, that story might have started off for a lot of us, or maybe it is today, not where we want it to be, but there is a way. Deuteronomy 23.5. Now, I don’t have any tattoos, but if I was going to get a tattoo and I’m not suggesting anybody add any more tattoos okay, tattoo this on your brain, maybe. You know. Deuteronomy 23, five.John Trent 20:31

Here’s where it says but now, the Lord, your God, was not willing that Balaam. Now, balaam was this guy that was hired by people that didn’t like God’s people to curse them. Right now, most of us had people in our life. You know, you didn’t have to pay my dad. He just bailed out because he chose to. It wasn’t nobody was paying him to do it.

Forgiving Childhood Wounds

John Trent 20:54

But here’s Balaam. The Lord was not willing to let that person, whoever it was, curse you. The Lord, your God, turned the curse, all that subtraction, into a blessing for you because the Lord, your God, loves you, into a blessing for you because the Lord, your God, loves you. And so, as we get into this whole broken to blessed part, I’m so grateful. For me, it was a young life leader, this big six foot four X Chico State football player, who showed up to me. I got to see him and his family all live out God’s love, and he’s the one that invited me to make a choice. And we get to do that. We get to choose man once you come in Christ and you get all those blessings. Well, now you’re ready to go bless others. So it’s a journey, it’s a story, but God can rewrite the story.Ellen Krause 21:43

Yes.Kari Trent Stageberg 21:44

Absolutely.Ellen Krause 21:44

Absolutely, absolutely. Well, I know that we have so many people listening that could be anywhere on that spectrum that you’ve talked about. If you could give them one piece of practical steps that they could take to start the healing process, what would that be?Kari Trent Stageberg 22:06

Yeah, that’s a great question. Why don’t?John Trent 22:15

why don’t you go and I’ll, I’ll add mine, okay? Well, you know the one thing that I did. Now, my dad was an old third Marine division guy and never recovered from the war and came home as an alcoholic trying to drink away all the pain. And after I did meet him he was still trying to drink away all the pain and never could. Okay, but what’s interesting is, have you ever been to in Washington DC to the Vietnam Memorial?Ellen Krause 22:38

It’s this black thing.John Trent 22:40

It’s got all the names of everybody you know, and it’s.

Practical Ways to Heal Childhood Wounds

John Trent 22:44

People looked at it. It’s not. It’s not of a soldier or somebody on a horse, it’s this black wall with a bunch of names on it. But people find that name and put their hand on that name. And here’s what I’m getting at. There’s a famous statement that the beginning of the end of war is remembrance. War is remembrance. And this is where we get people to start. We say, okay, now look, if you miss the blessing, you have to say, okay, as far as it is with me, the war’s over. I had to say, okay, I’m forgiving my dad, because I had a hard time doing that. You know, my mom was so sick and he never showed up and all that stuff. So I think it’s when we start and we say, okay, lord, thank you for forgiving me, I’m ready to move on. And it’s like declaring the wars over on our side. Now, you can’t do it on the other side. My dad never changed okay, but as far as it is with me, well, from there, you’re ready to move on.Kari Trent Stageberg 23:48

So, carrie, share one thing me well, from there you’re ready to move on. So, carrie, share one thing. Yeah, well, I was going to share two really super quick things. I think the first thing that I would say is that if you’ve never made that choice to say you know what I want things to change, start there. And you know, for me it really was that moment of OK, god, if you’re real, get me out safely. And 10 minutes later there was that knock on the door and I, you know, I firmly believe that when we say you know what, god, I am ready, I am ready to move forward with you because God wants to lead us, but we have to join him on the journey. So if you haven’t really said yes to the journey or you’ve been holding back on that, say yes and let him have a little peace each day, because he’s so faithful with what we give him and he multiplies that. So I would say, start there. And the second thing that I would encourage you to do is pick a verse that you feel like really is important to you. You know, for dad you shared that the Hebrews 13, 5.Kari Trent Stageberg 24:41

For me, I think, every day for about a year and a half, and still sometimes on a frequent basis. I read Isaiah 43.1, where it talks about fear, not, for I have redeemed you. I have called you by name, you are mine. Write it on a note card and every time that you start to think, can things change? Is it possible to change? Pull it out and make a tally on the back mark and you know, maybe day one it’s 30 times that you had to read it. Day two, maybe it’s 10. And then maybe it’s 40, because healing is not linear. But having something to physically help your brain stop and say you know what God is, who he says he is, he is in control and he is going to show up. For me, those would be two really practical things that I would say to do to just kind of start down that path of healing and watch God take it and run with it.Ellen Krause 25:31

So powerful, right when we release it and put it in God’s hands.John Trent 25:37

Yeah, amen.Ellen Krause 25:39

Well, John and Keri, we could talk about so much more, I know, but if people are interested in learning more about you, where can they find you and the book your Journey from Broken to Blessed?

Resources and Guest Faves

Kari Trent Stageberg 25:54

Yeah Well, you can find us at strongfamiliescom or on social media at Strong Families, and if you want to find your journey from broken to blessed, we have copies on our website, amazon. Obviously we would love to hear from you if you do pick up a copy of the book. We’d love to hear if it was a blessing to you. And we actually run live book clubs. We’re getting ready to launch our live book club on Journey from Broken to Blessed. So if you’re interested in joining us on that, where we actually walk through the book live with you on Zoom, kind of like we were doing it over you know Bible and coffee, but Broken to Blessed and coffee, then come to strongfamiliescom and we would love to have you join us on that journey.Ellen Krause 26:37

Oh, that’s incredible. I love that you’re providing people that opportunity. Well, we will make sure we include links to all those things in our show notes. Before we let you go, we have to ask you a couple of our favorite Coffee and Bible Time questions here. First of all, what Bible is your go-to Bible and what translation is it is?John Trent 26:59

it. Wow. Well, I’m a New American Standard guy. You know if I’m doing really Bible study. But this one here called the New Testament, modern English, it’s by JB Phillips. Now it’s out of print. You got to find it on eBay or whatever. It is a wonderful interpretive paraphrase and Alistair Begg refers to it all the time. It’s an English author, it’s really old, but that’s my favorite. Jb Phillips is my favorite favorite. Yeah.Kari Trent Stageberg 27:31

Yeah, I didn’t think to bring mine down, which I probably should have, but the one that I’m really, really into right now it’s the Contemporary Comparative Parallel Bible. It’s the Contemporary Comparative Parallel Bible and so it has four different translations all on the same page. So it’s got like NIV, new Living Translation, the Message and New King James Version, and so it’s really fun. It has them in columns so it’s really easy to read and I’m actually really enjoying kind of looking through all the different ones and kind of just increasing hey, wow, when you read it that way, you know what does the Lord have to say to you about that? So that’s what I’ve been into lately, which has been really fun.Ellen Krause 28:11

Okay, I have a parallel Bible, but it’s only two translations. That’s really cool that you have a four one.Kari Trent Stageberg 28:17

Yeah, all right, I don’t know if it’s too much or not, but it’s been really fun.Ellen Krause 28:21

It’s been fun yeah it’s incredibly helpful to look at multiple translations. Okay, how about? Do you have any favorite journaling supplies that you like to use for your Bible study?John Trent 28:33

Well, there’s actually a place in Seattle that makes these leather journals. That’s going to be something that maybe gets passed down to generations.Kari Trent Stageberg 28:48

Yeah, and I’m with him. This is uh, there’s just something about a journal you really enjoy and there’s something about, like the rap you know where you’re having to, like I don’t know that that makes it really fun and really special.Ellen Krause 28:55

Yes, that looks. That looks really cool. Okay, you’ll have to let us know where that is so we can tell our listeners.Kari Trent Stageberg 29:02

Yeah, Pike’s Place Market in Seattle. Every time he comes up to visit, we got to go up there and get new journals.Ellen Krause 29:09

Oh, fun Okay. Love Pike’s Place Okay. Lastly, what’s your favorite app or website for Bible study tools?Kari Trent Stageberg 29:18

Yeah, that’s a good question. Go ahead, go ahead.John Trent 29:20

I love you know Blue Letter Bible is. You know, just got so many great things and you know you mentioned that I could also. You know those are kind of our favorite Bible things, but you mentioned that I could also tell you about my favorite coffee.John Trent 29:39

Please do, please do coffee, please do, please do. There’s this. Uh, we’re sending you. You are so kind to have us on and to kick this whole thing off all over the country. It starts right here with you and we’re so grateful, and so I’m sending you this because this is it’s called daybreak coffee, it’s caravan coffee. They’re out of the portland area caravan Coffee. But listen to this, it’s chocolate, creamy and buttered toast. I don’t know about you, but it had to be buttered toast, not burnt toast, but buttered toast.Kari Trent Stageberg 30:11

It’s really good. I’m really picky and Joey and I have switched over and my mom, who doesn’t even drink coffee, will drink it, so I don’t want to oversell it, but it’s actually really really good.John Trent 30:25

Yeah.Ellen Krause 30:26

Okay, well, you sold me when I heard the word chocolate?

A Blessing From Kari

Kari Trent Stageberg 30:31

Yeah, exactly, and my favorite app is actually it’s called Prayer P-R-A-Y-R and it is a great resource for building community while you’re also trying to like actively study things, and so it helps you create a prayer timeline you can. It actually lets you set reminders to pray for different people, and so that’s actually been my favorite kind of Bible study app at the moment, because it helps me take what I’m learning and then actually put it into action where I can set a reminder to pray for so-and-so during this time or they’ve, and then people can give updates on their prayer, and it’s really kind of a neat tool, so that that’s my favorite one right now and my friend Julie created it.Kari Trent Stageberg 31:08

So I’m really it’s, it’s fun to see that, uh, really be something that’s powerful and that’s so helpful.Ellen Krause 31:16

I love that. Okay, well, very good, we will make sure we include links to all those things, including caravan coffee. John and carrie, thank you so much for being here today, for being so authentic, for sharing your words of encouragement. It’s just been a wonderful experience oh, thank you so much.John Trent 31:40

Hey, can carrie, can you pray for Ellen and all these awesome people that have been blessed by her as well? Yeah, absolutely.Kari Trent Stageberg 31:50

Lord, we just thank you for coffee and Bible time. Lord, we thank you for just the opportunity to slow down and really get to connect with other believers. God, even through our phones or the internet, to just be able to hear other perspectives about you. Lord, I just pray that this is a continued place of community for people, where they would continue to just be encouraged, that you would give Ellen wisdom and favor as she continues to build this, and we just thank you for the opportunity to get to share about what you have done in our lives and what you are able to do when we say yes to you. So I just pray that you would bring your hope on anyone who is listening today. Let them know that you really are real, you really can change the pictures of their story and you really can move things from broken to blessed. And so we just love you and we praise you in Jesus name, amen, amen.Ellen Krause 32:42

All right. Thank you so much for that prayer to our listeners. If you grew up without the love and care you needed, or if you’re just now beginning to see how that has affected your adult life, I hope this conversation reminded you that healing is possible. You are not too far gone, you are not stuck in your past and you are never beyond the reach of God’s love and restoration. Thank you again for just joining us here at the Coffee and Bible Time podcast. Until next week, may you rest in the truth that you are fully seen, deeply loved and never alone. God bless.